“The Lost Mariner” (Year 2 Sun.)
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Hello everyone! How are you doing?
22nd March 2020 at 11:02 am #4320 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
KamilaNiszcz
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Hi, I’ve been better. Im’ going crazy becouse of quarantine.
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Adrian B
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Hello,
not that bad as it could be. How bout you?
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joanna.gutowska
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Hello! I’m fine, thank you!
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KarolinaS
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Good morning
In these hard times, still moving forward ?
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It’s good to hear you’re OK. In my neighbourhood a few people are living in quarantine.
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Iza65430
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A friend of mine just got back from France and she’s also living in quarantine. Have you heard about this new app to follow if you are sitting in home instead of going out?
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I’ve heard about it, but I haven’t downloaded it yet. It may come in useful, though.
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Martyna 64134
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Hello. Im fine, what about you?
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I’m all right, thank you, but I miss the freedom of going out and moving around easily ?
How did you like the essay I wanted you to read?
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Martyna 64134
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It was very interesting. Though I liked the one about the women and prioprioception better ?
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I see ? Do you remember what happened to Jimmy? Why did he lose his memory?
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Martyna 64134
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It seems like he was still perfectly fine in 1965 when he was leaving the navy. Around Christmass of ’70 we firstly experienced delirious excitement and confusion and then the bizarre and deep memory deficits. He didn’t recognise his brother, he thought of himself as well as of his brother as young guys.
Following reports from the hospital in ’71 stated that he was “totally disoriented … with an advanced organic brain syndrome, due to alcohol”. Doctors were also suspecting a Korsakov’s syndrome as it was the only diagnosable memory loss disorded?? Later on this diagnosis was rejected.
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Martina, am I right in thinking that you said that he was misdiagnosed with Korsakov’s syndrome?
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Martyna 64134
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I was wrong. As I checked now and in the last paragraph it is clearly says that he had both ‘severest, most devastating Korsakov’s’ and ‘a dense amnesia going back to 1945’
22nd March 2020 at 1:17 pm #4430 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
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Yes, he had Korsakov’s (or Korsakoff) syndrome. The unrestricted and prolonged consumption of alcohol may lead to the degeneration of mammillary bodies which causes severe retrograde and anterograde amnesia, confabulation, apathy and at times even hallucinations. Good for Jimmie he didn’t experience them.
22nd March 2020 at 11:11 am #4335 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
KamilaNiszcz
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When I started reading it, I fought “ok, amnesia, nothing speciall“, but then it turned out that Jimmy didin’t even know that he had amnesia, he didn’t recognize a doctor with whom he was sitting and talking for a while, and then the doctor gone went out and came back, and Jimmy didn’t recognize him. It was terrifying for me.
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22nd March 2020 at 11:18 am #4340 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
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Indeed, it is scary. But he remembered many things from the past, he retained his scientific knowledge he acquired in high school, he remembered vividly his childhood, war days and service.
22nd March 2020 at 11:24 am #4344 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
KamilaNiszcz
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But he wasn’t able to remember things, people, what he was doing a few minutes ago before. He couldn’t remember the present situation, and I found it the most scary, and I think it was very uncomfortable living like that.
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22nd March 2020 at 1:54 pm #4439 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
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At least he retained his memories up to 1945. Some people with retrograde amensia don’t remember a thing from their lives. Moreover they may suffer dense anterograde amnesia as well.
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joanna.gutowska
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I found this quote very interesting, especially while reading the story of Jimmy G.
When I read about it I thought there’s nothing new that doctors can come up with (on therms in terms of diagnosis) but the fragment about seeing Jimmy in a chapel really surprised me. It seems like when he was involved in rituals and spirituality he could “get” a piece of his life back, be present in a moment and not forget about it a few minutes ago after.
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22nd March 2020 at 11:08 am #4329 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
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Joanna, how happend to Jimmy? How come he lost his memory back to 1945?
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joanna.gutowska
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If I understood the text correctly, the doctors have only few hypotheses about his memory. It might be Korsakov’s syndrome, based on neuron destruction (tiny, mammillary bodies) due to alcohol abuse. As we know from Jimmy’s brother testimony he was “always a drinker”.
Another hypothesis is that he may have experienced something extremely traumatic around 1945, and repressed his further memories.
22nd March 2020 at 11:22 am #4342 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
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Yes, you’right. but they lean more towards the Korskov’s (or Korsakoff) syndrome for the reasons you’ve mentioned: destruction of neurons in the mamilliary bodies caused by heavy drinking.
What was life for Jimmie after he lost his memory?
22nd March 2020 at 11:38 am #4356 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
joanna.gutowska
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At first glance, he looked like a very energetic, enthusiastic middle-aged man, but when we get to know his story a little deeper he was mostly confused, easily distracted, lost in his own time-loop.
He was moved from Bellevue Hospital to a nursing home in the Village, passed by these institutions like a hot potato.
Eventually, he arrived at Home of the Aged near New York City, where our story from the neurologist perspective begins.
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Can you compare his situation to Stephen R.’s one? His case was mentioned in Postscript.
22nd March 2020 at 12:48 pm #4417 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
joanna.gutowska
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Hm, I think Jimmy and Stephen R. might have something in common. Doctors suspected retrograde amnesia in both cases.
Retrograde amnesia is caused by damage to the memory-storage areas of the brain, in various brain regions. This type of damage can result from a traumatic injury, a serious illness, a seizure or stroke, or a degenerative brain disease.
For Jimmy, it was not entirely clear what possibly caused his retrograde amnesia, as I wrote earlier. In Stephen’s case, I guess we can connect it with his severe seizures and spasticity. Stephen lost only few years due to retrograde amnesia, Jimmy, unfortunately, lost much more.
22nd March 2020 at 12:56 pm #4422 Edit | Move | Split | Bin | Spam | Unapprove | Reply
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Yes, but the bottom line is: they were stuck in the past, they were both confused and unable to move on. Stephen R. was actually more than confused. When he visited his hometown, he felt at home, was peaceful even though sometimes his memory was contradicted. But when he was taken back to the institution, he was tormented. Jimmie wasn’t tormented (if tormented at all) as much.
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Martyna 64134
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I wonder if he really was involved or was he following everyone as you do in church.
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As the nursing sisters claimed, the mass could hold him completely. He could follow it with an uninterrupted focus for as long as it lasted.
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weronikabielicka
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I’m good. My workplace is still open so that’s one positive of this situation.
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KarolinaS
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That was an amazing text. While reading, I tried to imagine how I could handle Jimmy’s situation … and it was hard. Remember what it was a long time ago, and don’t remember what I ate for dinner.
About quote:
Although Jimmie has lost the ability to make a habit of storing in his memory the latest or most recent activities or events, he still, as a human, feels. He was sensitive to the world around him.
Let us recall situation when he was on a visit to a doctor, whom he didn’t remember from the moment before, he looked in the mirror. I think he was really scared of what he saw. The old man he saw in the reflection was a stranger to him. He didn’t identify with him at all.
Various emotions arose in him. Mainly confusion. He became frantic and panicked.
Referring to the quote, I think it’s great for Jimmy’s case. Although, let’s call it illness, he did not lose himself as a human He still had self-esteem, felt satisfaction / joy, e.g. when he looked out the window, gazing with pleasure at the kids.
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You said that he could feel satisfaction and joy, but Sacks observed that he was often apathetic and bored.
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KarolinaS
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Yes, he said it, but it seems to me that in these small situations, however, he had signs of joy. We can say that he mainly felt it but let’s not reject other feelings. A grim man has his own character, but when he sees, for example, his child’s smile, he cannot help but smile. Jimmie, due to his case condition, could show moments of joy in such small situations.
This range of emotions, regarding Alexander’s sentence Luria’s quote, also testifies that Jimmie had even the mentioned sensitivity
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joanna.gutowska
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One thing really got me thinking about Jimmy’s behavior – the mirror test.
He was sure he’s nineteen, while really being forty-nine at the time of first neurologist examination and the mirror check-up was a frightening experience for him.
But I guess he must have seen mirrors his whole life after 1945 – at his home, in the toilet while shaving, in public places.
Was he terrified every time he saw himself in a mirror? Or he got distracted by something else and forgot about it? What do you guys think?
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KarolinaS
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Maybe he hadn’t thought about that before. He was just doing things. And this time the doctor pointed it out in a specific context.
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Adrian B
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he had to been doing all those things you mentioned, but he simply forgot about it. Remember that Jimmy couldnt follow any converstations that have been in some sort of way paused and resumed
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Iza65430
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Or maybe he forgot about it a few minutes after? Like in the doctor’s room. He just forgot why is he frightened
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KamilaNiszcz
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Since he forgot such a things like shaving, he may forgot his face appearance too.
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weronikabielicka
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I think that he had the same reaction every time he looked at the mirror but he just kept forgetting that he’s older than nineteen.
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I think you’re right, Veronica. He didn’t catch up with his life. Every time his memories were contradicted, he was at a loss, but mercifully (for him) he forgot it withing minutes.
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Do you remember, everybody, which memory was still functioning in him?
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Martyna 64134
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Was that procedural memory?
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Yes, but why do you think so? Is there any proof of it in the essay?
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Martyna 64134
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I think that this citation might prove it ‘He had two striking skills— Morse code and touch-typing. We could not use Morse, unless we invented a use; but good typing we could use, if he could recover his old skills—and this would be real work, not just a game. Jimmie soon did recover his old skill and came to type very quickly—he could not do it slowly—and found in this some of the challenge and satisfaction of a job. But still this was superficial tapping and typing; it was trivial, it did not reach to the depths. And what he typed, he typed mechanically—he could not hold the thought—the short sentences following one another in a meaningless order.’
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Indeed, touch-typing was a mechanical activity for him, but he preserved the skill itself.
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KamilaNiszcz
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Episodic memory?
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Was he able to rely completely on his episodic memory?
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KamilaNiszcz
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You’re right, he wasn’t.
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I’m not saying I am ?
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Adrian B
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No, he was not, his memory was erased back to 1945 and then stoppped
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joanna.gutowska
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Some parts of long-term memory – the one Martyna mentioned. Also semantic, and some pieces of episodic and autobiographical memory.
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Yes, parts of LTM: episodic but up to 1945 (with some fragmentary memories from the 1960s), semantic (explicit) and implict. Give me an example of his preserved implicit memory. And what does “implicit” mean in the first place?
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joanna.gutowska
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Implicit means something that we’re not aware of, something unconscious. You don’t have to think about it, to remember how to do it, it’s happening automatically – how to tie your shoelaces for instance.
For Jimmy, in my opinion it would be anything mundane like getting dressed, but also typing and using Morse code.
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True, what about sensory and short-term memory?
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joanna.gutowska
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Well, Jimmy has sensory memory but only up to 1945. His short-memory is damaged, as he cannot hold new information for more than a few minutes.
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No, it wasn’t sensory memory. Mind you, sensory memory has the shortest duration.
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weronikabielicka
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The sensory memory was still functioning in him but he Lost his short-term memory as he was able to type and do puzzles only if he was really fast.
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Yes, it was. It made it possible to repeat what someone has just said or to read a whole sentence in a book. Jimmie had it, but his STM was damaged, so nothing was committed to LTM.
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Yes, parts of LTM: episodic but up to 1945 (with some fragmentary memories from the 1960s), semantic (explicit) and implict. Give me an example of his preserved implicit memory. And what does “implicit” mean in the first place?
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KarolinaS
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As we know he didn’t have a family. However, how do you imagine how he would function if he had relatives?
People after accidents also lose their memory and their families try to help them remember themselves. Or in connection with Alzheimer’s. What about him? How would that work?
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RebekaDziekan
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It seems to me that it may be difficult for us to get into Jimmie’s situation, but it is much easier to imagine someone with Alzheimer’s, as this is quite common nowadays. Probably many of us know the person, maybe even a family member who is struggling with it.
And those who do not have such experiences, I recommend watching the movie Still Alice. It’s a quietly harrowing portrait of a family losing the woman they know – and a woman losing herself.
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joanna.gutowska
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It’s a great movie, it can bring you to tears though.
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I also recommend this film. It’s a beautiful and moving portrayal of a woman with A.D.
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KarolinaS
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I think that everyone, and certainly women from this discussion :), know the movie “The Notebook”. It seems to me that it would similarly illustrate Jimmie’s situation if he had a family.
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joanna.gutowska
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I think he might function better with someone close to him, who could help him retrieve some memories, though it surely would be challenging for this person.
At postscript there was a theory, that patients like Jimmy may feel better in surroundings they fossiled in – so if it was possible to move him to his hometown, maybe his memory would improve?
Some of his symptoms resemble Alzheimer’s to me, for example, no memory of meeting people before. I have a similar experience with my grandma who has dementia. Sometimes when I visit her she treats me like a person she has never met before, sometimes she thinks I’m my mother or my sister. But her condition also affects her semantic memory – recently she forgot how to use kitchen utensils or how to use soap, which is extremely dangerous in the current COVID-19 situation.
Sometimes it’s funny because she can act like a child, but at the end of the day, it’s kind of depressing that without memory we’re different people, slowly losing our selves.
I really hope my mother and myself won’t have this problem in the future :O
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Are you saying that if we had no memory of our lives we would be different people?
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RebekaDziekan
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You wouldn’t be like yourself in any way. People learn and develop who they are as they grow. You wouldn’t have any recollection of this process and thus you wouldn’t have retained the information that you once did from it. I don’t think you could ever be the “you” that you were again. The situations would be different and inevitably so would you.
Let’s just say that this statement makes any sense.
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It does make sense, however, we might be able to preserve the spirital part of ourselves (just like Jimmie G. did). We would preserve our personalities, attitudes, likes and dislikes – even though we wouldn’t remember why we like or deslike something – everything that constitutes a human being.
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RebekaDziekan
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Yes, it seems to me that our qualities and needs would remain similar, but they could develop somewhat differently.
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I see. Could you say something more about it?
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RebekaDziekan
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Most of our features personality traits are independent of us, but we can work on them constantly and hard. We will not change the way we were born. However, the environment in which we live and the events we experience can have a real impact on our perception of the world and goals in life.
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I can see I’ve come up with nature vs nurture argument ?
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RebekaDziekan
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Seems like it. But to be honest, it is such a complex topic that it is difficult for me to clearly determine which side is true. I think they intertwine so smoothly that both types of argument can be accepted.
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True, it’s a tough question and volumes can be written about it ?
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joanna.gutowska
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I think so. Our memories make us who we are, they shape our behaviors and how we perceive people and the world around us.
I believe that every milestone changes us – for instance when a woman is having a baby for the first time it surely changes her whole perspective, she acts differently from this very moment.
If she lost her memory from the moment she had a baby, her life would never be the same. Her baby would feel terrible.
I remember a story about a woman with multiple personality disorder, who has a daughter. It might be a totally different story, but I remembered precisely her daughter who was also interviewed for this documentary.
Her mother had a lot of personalities that would „activate” at various times, and some of „personas” denied having a child, which was crushing for her daughter to hear.
You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2atzoaA2NI
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Thank you for the link. I will watch the documentary. This may be a different story, though. The woman you’ve mentioned suffered from dissociative identity disorder (the term “multiple personality disorder” is no longer in use in the medical context). The reason(s) why she forgot having a daughter is different from losing your LTM.
But I understand your reasoning.
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Another thing, you wrote that if Jimmie were relocated to his hometown his memory could have improved. I’m not sure, after all he suffered atrophy of mammillary bodies. In other words, his mammilliary bodies were degenerated. You cannot, despite medical advancement, reverse the damage.
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joanna.gutowska
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That’s right. Organic changes are unfortunately irreversible.
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KarolinaS
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implicit memory, i think
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admin
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Can you give me an example?
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Adrian B
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He still remembered Morse code and touch-typing
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Of course. Adrian why did Jimmie lose much of his explicit memory but preserved the implicit one?
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Adrian B
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To be honest I have no idea whats the reason of that. In this case I need your help.
I can only associate fact connected to Alzheimer`s disease, what I mean is that this disease at its begining also focuses episodic and semantic memory, then it takes away our procedural memory.
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Could anyone answer that question, please?
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KarolinaS
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For me, implicit memory means something that we will do automatically, without thinking and performing the same operation again. It is possible that only some corners of the memory have been damaged. Jimmie still believed that he had a was 19 years old. It is possible that the established patterns blurred the trace of explicit memory.
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Caroline, I’m afraid I don’t understand this part: “… possible that the established patterns blurred the trace of explicit memory.”
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KarolinaS
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establish patterns = repetitive actions so often that he no longer pays attention to them.
What I meant was that he locked himself in a loop of fixed actions and had some sort of blockade against introducing new schemas.
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The part about established patterns was clear. I still don’t understand what do you mean by implicit memory blurring the trace of explicit memory.
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Martyna 64134
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It’s typical in amnesia that people lose explicit memory but retain much of implicit memory.
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Yes, it’s very common. But why?
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KamilaNiszcz
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Implicit memory doesn’t require conscious recall, it means that Jimmy didn’t have to think hardly about the things he was going to do, he done it mechanically even he didn’t remember he done it before.
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Yes, of course. I think that everybody agrees with it. But why does a person with severe explicit memory loss retain his implicit memory?
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Iza65430
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Maybe it is because of that we learn a lot of things in the first few years. Like in Jimmy’s case – he thought he is still 19 years old so he could do everything he has learned to this age.
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joanna.gutowska
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Maybe because they don’t have control over it anyway?
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No, the thing is that explicit and implicit memory are stored elsewhere in the brain. Explicit memory is stored first of all in the hippocampus whereas implicit memory in the basal ganglia. We’ll be talking about it in the future ?
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joanna.gutowska
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Okay ?
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Adrian B
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Implicit memory operates through a different mental process from explicit memory. Explicit memory is strongly connected to our emotions and feelings. Amnesia ‘attacks’ using stress these two factors and thats what makes people suffering from it losing their episodic memory
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Dear All, the topic won’t be closed so if you want to add something to our discussion you’re very welcome.
I have started another topic where I would love to read your opinion.
I’d like to remind you of Mock Exam 2 which is waiting for you. In a couple of days I will upload a test on Learning – please take it as well. Moreover, I’d like you to study the material from “Memory” (the whole unit) in your textbook as well as the material in this site. I’d like to meet to all next Sunday, the same hour, though I will visit this topic to see if you have written anything ?
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joanna.gutowska
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Is it possible to retake the Mock exam? I’ve done poorly ?
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Poorly? You scored 73%. It’s a good result. When everyone takes it, you may have another take on it ?
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Thank you for the discussion. Have a good Sunday and take care of yourselves!
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I think the other interesting aspect of this chapter is style of neuropsychologist jobs. It’s have to be awesome experience when “your everyday” duty is like adventure ? You discover something new which no one know yet. You discover something completly new which no one know yet. I really like fragment “What could we do? What should we do? There are no prescriptions,’ Luria wrote, ‘in a case like this. Do whatever your ingenuity and your heart suggest.”. You have to be governed by professional ethics but moreover you have “carte blanche”. Neuropsychologist jobs(I believe) it’s very responsible and satisfying(in those days at least).
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I think the other interesting aspect of this chapter is style of neuropsychologist jobs. It’s have to be awesome experience when “your everyday” duty is like adventure ? You discover something new which no one know yet. You discover something completly new which no one know yet. I really like fragment “What could we do? What should we do? There are no prescriptions,’ Luria wrote, ‘in a case like this. Do whatever your ingenuity and your heart suggest.”. You have to be governed by professional ethics but moreover you have “carte blanche”. Neuropsychologist jobs(I believe) it’s very responsible and satisfying(in those days at least).
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I’m not infected so in that I’m Ok ?
How about you, Rebecca? What do you think about Luria’s quote?
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RebekaDziekan
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I agree with this statement. The man still had his own character traits, was kind and had a sense of humor. In fact, memory problems were a bigger problem for his environment than for himself.
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weronikabielicka
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But he said that he doesn’t feel anything and didn’t know if he enjoys Life.
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RebekaDziekan
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Most of the time, however, he remained unaware of his condition. There were times when he admitted that he was not feeling well, but he still wanted to live.
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Exactly. Even if he reaslised something was off, he forgot it after a few minutes. He wasn’t aware of that fact that he had lost his self.
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