“The Lost Mariner” (Year 1, Gr. 2)
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24th March 2020 at 7:54 pm #4523
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25th March 2020 at 10:59 am #4530
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KeymasterHello everyone. Let’s start the discussion.
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25th March 2020 at 11:30 am #4534
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InactiveI agree with this sentence but He also has a big personality. He wasn’t only a collection of different perceptions but he was an intelligent sensitive person
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25th March 2020 at 11:36 am #4536
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KeymasterWhat makes you think, Susanna, that Jimmie G.’s life was not a life in the sense we understand it?
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25th March 2020 at 11:46 am #4542
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InactiveWe can say that he was lost in one day. His whole live was about his past. I cannot imagine function in the state of not planning the future. Our past is something that mould us. He didn’t have the oportunity to fully be a human and fully feel becouse he
immidietlyimmediately forgot about everything that happend. We can say that he just functionautomaticlyautomatically.
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25th March 2020 at 11:47 am #4545
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InactiveI don’t think I can agree with Hume’s definition. Of course, in some way a person’s life and personality is all about movement, changing. But I strongly believe that our roots, our anchors, are too important to just not mention them. Some kind of stability is what really makes a person’s personality complete. Of course I’m not trying to dehumanize Jimmie. He was a human just like me and every person “anchored” in place, time and moment in their life. But even the author said that he wasn’t truly himself, that he was lost in all that was happening, he couldn’t understand the world, and he wouldn’t change – move forward – at all. How can you move forward when you’re
stuckedstuck in 1945? I think that even if we’re “nothing but a bundle or collection of different perceptions” – without some kind of an anchor we’re just not complete.-
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25th March 2020 at 12:07 pm #4557
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Keymaster“But even the author said that he wasn’t truly himself, that he was lost in all that was happening …”.
I think that he later changed this opinion. Losing your memory doesn’t necessarily changes your personality – you keep your likes, dislikes, attitudes, interests even though you don’t remember what makes you like/dislike something. You’re the same person as before only with some deficits or limitations.
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25th March 2020 at 12:12 pm #4560
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InactiveJoanna, I think the same. A man needs a stability in his life. And as it comes to Jimmy – I suppose we can say that he kind of found one. When he’d started being interested in music, art and gardening he became more calm. Doctors also noticed that when he prayed in the chapel he seemed no longer lost in time, he was focused and cheerful. Those activities brought him peace. They were his harmony, his anchor. And as you said – he still wasn’t complete, couldn’t move forward and was stuck in the past but at least he had something stable that made him less down, nervous and lost.
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25th March 2020 at 12:36 pm #4573
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KeymasterJoanna, help me moderate this discussion.
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25th March 2020 at 12:02 pm #4554
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InactiveI think that a man’s being is more than just collection of different perceptions. As shown in “The Lost Mariner” the emotional and spiritual aspect of person’s life is as important as any mental tasks. Even when Jimmie G partly lost his memory he could find some familiarity in spiritual acts that didn’t rely on his faulty mechanisms. That shows that people are a lot more than their intelligence and memory. They also have souls.
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25th March 2020 at 12:11 pm #4559
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KeymasterTrue, Jowita. I like the part of the essay when Jimmy went to Mass to chapel. Surprisingly, he was focused throughout the celebration, which is unusual for a person with a dense short-memory loss (SML). There was something else that “held” him. What was it?
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25th March 2020 at 2:14 pm #4619
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InactiveWhile reading the essay I immediately thought that maybe religion was a very significant part of his life
sincefrom the time he was born. And because of that it was quite natural for him to get absorbed in the act duringtheMass. It seems as if the expierience was mainly emotional which he easily recollected. I think that taking part intheMass was affecting aspects of his being other than those related to his memory.-
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25th March 2020 at 12:11 pm #4558
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InactiveI think that I didn’t express my thougths correctly. His
livelife wasn’t only about the past but the past was the only thing that he remmembered. I think he knew that something was wrong,thetthat heiswas differentthanfrom everybody else. He wasn’tcompletlycompletely unable to be in the future. That wasthisthese things that held him. These were realyemocionally iventsemotional events like Mass or quick games.ThisThese things recall to hist personality??? (e.g. he likedrivalisationcompetition) thatwasn’tweren’t forgotten and thatkeepkept him in the present.-
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25th March 2020 at 12:35 pm #4572
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25th March 2020 at 12:47 pm #4583
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KeymasterYes, but he eventually that it was caused by Korsakov’s (or Korsakoff) syndrome. What part of this brain was damaged?
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25th March 2020 at 1:21 pm #4598
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InactiveThey did tests like EEG but there was no evidence of massive brain demage. They suspect (due to Korsakov’s syndrome) alcoholic degeneration of the mammilary bodies.
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25th March 2020 at 12:45 pm #4580
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InactiveI disagree. Jimmie was described as a social and easy to like person. People surrounding him really hoped he would get better. He wasn’t like a machine. He was a human being after all, he had personality, his own abilities which he could recall after some time and emotions associated with certain people he remembered. He had a soul not only faulty brain.
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25th March 2020 at 12:51 pm #4586
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KeymasterWhat made Jimmie lose his memory and what types of memory were damaged?
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25th March 2020 at 12:56 pm #4589
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InactiveHis short-term memory was damaged and that was caused by heavy drinking which led to destruction of neurons in the mamilliary bodies.
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25th March 2020 at 1:05 pm #4592
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KeymasterRight. Have a look at mammillary bodies. Was only short-term memory affected by prolonged alcohol consumption?
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25th March 2020 at 1:10 pm #4593
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InactiveNo, I forgot to mention that he also lost some parts of his long-term memory(the ones after 1945).
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25th March 2020 at 1:13 pm #4595
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KeymasterWhat parts are you talking about?
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25th March 2020 at 1:28 pm #4600
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InactiveSo I am not sure which part of his brain was damaged and I can’t find the answer. But as Dorothy said: he lost also some parts of long-term memory, I think that he lost autobiographical and episodic memory (after 1945)
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25th March 2020 at 1:30 pm #4602
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InactiveYes I agree. His semantic memory was still functional.
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25th March 2020 at 1:37 pm #4607
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KeymasterEpisodic means autobiographical. Yes he lost it around 1960s and he could recall things up to 1945.
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25th March 2020 at 1:38 pm #4608
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KeymasterSemantic was not impaired, true. Do you have any proof of it?
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25th March 2020 at 1:47 pm #4611
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InactiveSemantic memory involves for example general knowledge about language and following this lead Jimmy was able to speak correctly and understand words and terms so I guess this could be the proof.
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25th March 2020 at 1:15 pm #4596
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InactiveI do not agree. That is true that movement and changing is a great part of our existance, but as Jimmie’s history shows it is not everything. I think that our memory is definitely very important part of our being, but even without it we have personality. Jimmie lost his memory but he sill had his temperament, he had emotions related to his brother, he had his skills. His loss was tragic, but being a human is much more than that.
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25th March 2020 at 1:21 pm #4597
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KeymasterHi Emily, could you refer to my question above in bold?
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25th March 2020 at 2:26 pm #4626
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InactiveCan you imagine person like Jimmy living in society? Making any relationship? Don’t you think that interactions are also quite important for person’s personality?
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25th March 2020 at 2:43 pm #4628
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