20th May 2024

“The Lost Mariner” (Year 1, Gr. 2)

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    • #4523
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      Do you agree with Hume’s definition of a man as being ‘nothing but a bundle or collection of different perceptions, which succeed each other with an inconceivable rapidity, and are in a perpetual flux and movement” in the context of “The Lost Mariner” by O. Sacks?

    • #4530
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      Hello everyone. Let’s start the discussion.

    • #4534
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      I agree with this sentence but He also has a big personality. He wasn’t only a collection of different perceptions but he was an intelligent sensitive person

      • #4536
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        What makes you think, Susanna, that Jimmie G.’s life was not a life in the sense we understand it?

        • #4542
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          We can say that he was lost in one day. His whole live was about his past. I cannot imagine function in the state of not planning the future. Our past is something that mould us. He didn’t have the oportunity to fully be a human and fully feel becouse he immidietly immediately forgot about everything that happend. We can say that he just function automaticly automatically.

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          • #4553
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            You say that his life was about his past, I’m not sure I agree with it completely. What about things that “held” him?

    • #4545
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      I don’t think I can agree with Hume’s definition. Of course, in some way a person’s life and personality is all about movement, changing. But I strongly believe that our roots, our anchors, are too important to just not mention them. Some kind of stability is what really makes a person’s personality complete. Of course I’m not trying to dehumanize Jimmie. He was a human just like me and every person “anchored” in place, time and moment in their life. But even the author said that he wasn’t truly himself, that he was lost in all that was happening, he couldn’t understand the world, and he wouldn’t change – move forward – at all. How can you move forward when you’re stucked stuck in 1945? I think that even if we’re “nothing but a bundle or collection of different perceptions” – without some kind of an anchor we’re just not complete.

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      • #4557
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        “But even the author said that he wasn’t truly himself, that he was lost in all that was happening …”.
        I think that he later changed this opinion. Losing your memory doesn’t necessarily changes your personality – you keep your likes, dislikes, attitudes, interests even though you don’t remember what makes you like/dislike something. You’re the same person as before only with some deficits or limitations.
        He lost his memory, but some types of memory were intact. Do you remember what types?

      • #4560
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        Joanna, I think the same. A man needs a stability in his life. And as it comes to Jimmy – I suppose we can say that he kind of found one. When he’d started being interested in music, art and gardening he became more calm. Doctors also noticed that when he prayed in the chapel he seemed no longer lost in time, he was focused and cheerful. Those activities brought him peace. They were his harmony, his anchor. And as you said – he still wasn’t complete, couldn’t move forward and was stuck in the past but at least he had something stable that made him less down, nervous and lost.

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        Joanna, help me moderate this discussion.

    • #4554
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      I think that a man’s being is more than just collection of different perceptions. As shown in “The Lost Mariner” the emotional and spiritual aspect of person’s life is as important as any mental tasks. Even when Jimmie G partly lost his memory he could find some familiarity in spiritual acts that didn’t rely on his faulty mechanisms. That shows that people are a lot more than their intelligence and memory. They also have souls.

      • #4559
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        True, Jowita. I like the part of the essay when Jimmy went to Mass to chapel. Surprisingly, he was focused throughout the celebration, which is unusual for a person with a dense short-memory loss (SML). There was something else that “held” him. What was it?

        • #4619
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          While reading the essay I immediately thought that maybe religion was a very significant part of his life since from the time he was born. And because of that it was quite natural for him to get absorbed in the act during the Mass. It seems as if the expierience was mainly emotional which he easily recollected. I think that taking part in the Mass was affecting aspects of his being other than those related to his memory.

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          • #4623
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            What did you find the most interesting/surprising while reading the essay?

          • #4624
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            What about gardening? Do you think it was helping him? Why?

    • #4558
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      I think that I didn’t express my thougths correctly. His live life wasn’t only about the past but the past was the only thing that he remmembered. I think he knew that something was wrong, thet that he is was different than from everybody else. He wasn’t completly completely unable to be in the future. That was this these things that held him. These were realy emocionally ivents emotional events like Mass or quick games. This These things recall to hist personality??? (e.g. he liked rivalisation competition) that wasn’t weren’t forgotten and that keep kept him in the present.

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      • #4568
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        I see. Do you remember what made him lose his memory?

    • #4572
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      It was caused by cassical? Korsakov’s syndrome due to alcohol abuse but the doctor considered that it might have been be becouse due to some dramatic events that happened in 1945.

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      • #4583
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        Yes, but he eventually that it was caused by Korsakov’s (or Korsakoff) syndrome. What part of this brain was damaged?

        • #4598
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          They did tests like EEG but there was no evidence of massive brain demage. They suspect (due to Korsakov’s syndrome) alcoholic degeneration of the mammilary bodies.

    • #4580
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      I disagree. Jimmie was described as a social and easy to like person. People surrounding him really hoped he would get better. He wasn’t like a machine. He was a human being after all, he had personality, his own abilities which he could recall after some time and emotions associated with certain people he remembered. He had a soul not only faulty brain.

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      • #4585
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        I agree with you. Losing one’s memory is a great loss but you’re still the person you used to be.

    • #4586
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      What made Jimmie lose his memory and what types of memory were damaged?

    • #4589
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      His short-term memory was damaged and that was caused by heavy drinking which led to destruction of neurons in the mamilliary bodies.

      • #4592
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        Keymaster

        Right. Have a look at mammillary bodies. Was only short-term memory affected by prolonged alcohol consumption?

        • #4593
          Anonymous
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          No, I forgot to mention that he also lost some parts of his long-term memory(the ones after 1945).

          • #4595
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            What parts are you talking about?

            • #4600
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              So I am not sure which part of his brain was damaged and I can’t find the answer. But as Dorothy said: he lost also some parts of long-term memory, I think that he lost autobiographical and episodic memory (after 1945)

              • #4602
                Anonymous
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                Yes I agree. His semantic memory was still functional.

                • #4607
                  admin
                  Keymaster

                  Episodic means autobiographical. Yes he lost it around 1960s and he could recall things up to 1945.

                • #4608
                  admin
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                  Semantic was not impaired, true. Do you have any proof of it?

                  • #4611
                    Anonymous
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                    Semantic memory involves for example general knowledge about language and following this lead Jimmy was able to speak correctly and understand words and terms so I guess this could be the proof.

                    • #4616
                      admin
                      Keymaster

                      Semantic memory also includes everything we’ve learnt and general world knowledge. Jimmie remembered e.g. the names of various submarines and names of the planets alongside their mass and gravity.

    • #4596
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      I do not agree. That is true that movement and changing is a great part of our existance, but as Jimmie’s history shows it is not everything. I think that our memory is definitely very important part of our being, but even without it we have personality. Jimmie lost his memory but he sill had his temperament, he had emotions related to his brother, he had his skills. His loss was tragic, but being a human is much more than that.

      • #4597
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        Hi Emily, could you refer to my question above in bold?

      • #4626
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        Can you imagine person like Jimmy living in society? Making any relationship? Don’t you think that interactions are also quite important for person’s personality?

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